Please let me introduce myself, a second time. Hi, I’m Spencer. I joined the forum a view months ago and changed my name since then (formerly cinnamon). I can’t decide what’s my type and honestly I’m still don’t know enough about socionics to contribute anything useful but I would be happy if you could share some of your insights about my type.
You know those kind of people in group settings who sit quietly in a corner, as if they’re judging everyone, proper, not smiling, not talking and probably have fucking clipboard in their hands? That’s me. That being said, I don’t care about anyone and there is a high chance that I’m not listening. I probably hide my a phone behind that clipboard and browse reddit. Meetings of any kind where people use fancy words like “group work”, “motivation” and powerpoint presentations with colorful pretty diagrams are useless and hold everyone back from achieving actual results and I think that’s everything anyone needs to know about me.
What do you study or do for a living? How did you come to do that? What do you like or dislike about it?
I plan to study in college.Something technical maybe. On the side I do small jobs like delivering papers or helping out on festivals. Currently I’m working in a café but not for long.
What are your values, and why?
I don’t know what to do with the word “values”. I don’t mean to say that values don’t exists or that I have no respect for people who find their own values very important, it’s just that I never wrote down what (moral) values I find important besides common sense.
What else do you do on a daily basis? What are your interests and hobbies? Why do you do them?
In my free time I do a lot of research on anything that currently interests me. That’s a.t.m. handwriting analysis, body language, typology, history and politics. I have a long list of things that I want to read about but way to little time.
Because I like understanding people and humanity as a whole but I also want to learn things that are applicable. Like body language. You can make people feel at ease around you by adjusting your body language or by saying the right things. Is that manipulation? Yes.
Describe your relations with family and friends. What do you like and dislike about them?
We have an ok relationship but I don’t feel like I belong there. I feel like I had to be the adult most of the time.
I have many acquaintances and positive relations to them. I consider only one or two people to be real friends of mine because they are the only ones who let me talk about my opinions without getting offended.
What do you look for in friends? In romantic relationships?
I don’t like talkers. I mean people who talk about plans and ideas but can’t deliver. I don’t take promises seriously(anymore) and only work with things that are tangible or signed. People who change their mind frequently or cancel plans at the last moment annoy me.
I enjoy planning trips, gifts, nights out and financial investments and when someone takes it away from me or says that he or she wasn’t serious about it anyway it upsets me quite a bit. I think I’m a very literal person so I don’t understand clues or any form of communication that “indicates” anything.
What conflicts have you encountered recently with other people? Why did they happen? Which kinds seem to happen on a regular basis?
I was out with two girl that I know for years. We were sitting in a cafe and we saw how an “old man” (late forties) gave his old wife a kiss and the girls said it should be forbidden that old people kiss each other in public. I laughed at first because I thought they can’t be serious but they were. In their opinion it's gross to look at and disruptive. I just kept quiet so it did not escalate into a conflict but I was shocked. If you don't like to see something that does not hurt anyone just look away. Why would you want to forbid people something like that wth.
How would your friends describe you?
I don’t really have “friends” only acquaintances. But they say that I don’t talk much, I’m a poker face with dry humor and knowledgeable. I’m serious, mostly unemotional on the outside, orderly, principled and have little patience for pranks because I’m too sensitive and inflexible. Apparently I make funny remarks and I don’t know how I appeal to people (It’s meant to be a positive remark) but don’t know what they mean about that. Maybe that I’m a bit authoritative...no clue. Maybe my sociotype can explain that.
What do people generally see as your strengths? What do you like about yourself?
Although people often criticise that I’m inflexible and impatient I feel like they don’t really see me for who I am. I’m not impatient. There are countless incidences where I waited hours for them without complaining. I’m always there when someone needs me. I consider myself easy going and I’m not half as principled and orderly as I like to make people think. I let people be who they are as long as they respect my need to for predictability and don’t let me wait on purpose. I’m independent but have no delusions about my cognitive abilities and don’t brag (because I don’t like being watched).
make others laugh when they feel down, memorize what they like and what gives them joy (their hobbies, favorite movies, names of children and their birthdays). I’m reasonably good at small talk, notice when someone feels awkward and do something about it.
What are your weaknesses? What criticism do you often face from others? What do you dislike about yourself?
I can’t help but being a bit passive aggressive once I’m irritated. I always know better. I don’t talk enough and I’m to rigid, strict, impatient, selfish and critical. I don’t like risks of any kind and therefore I’m not much fun. I’m less humorous i.r.l than in text messages and I need years to feel comfortable around someone. I never open up about my feelings. I’m very literal and don’t understand hints.
In what areas of life can you manage well on your own? In what areas of your life would you like help?
Nowhere. Don’t stay in my way.
No, wait. Opportunities. I like people who give me honest opportunities that are not just empty talk. I don’t need help to accomplish my goals I just need someone who points at an open door.
What things do you find to be a chore? What things do you enjoy more than others?
Making petty powerpoint presentations or anything that I consider useless. I like ironing my clothes. No joke. I don’t get up in the morning like “yay I get to iron my clothes for two hours today!” but keeping my stuff in order and having everything prepared to go somewhere spontaneously but in tidy clothing is like meditating.
What goals, aspirations, or plans do you have for the future? How did you come to have them?
I only have short term goals. Big plans for the future are useless for me because I can’t control anything and things never turn out the way I envision them. The only thing I know is that I know shit.
If you had enough money to live comfortably for the rest of your life without working, what would you do with your time?
I would buy a house in the woods and come to that place as often as I can. I would love to visit foreign countries but not big cities like paris, new york a.s.o but the smaller places where the culture and day to day life of normal people shows. I like to observe other cultures, listen to their music, understand their traditions and why and how they made them. One of my ideals it “to understand all you must forgive all” and while I certainly can’t forgive all aspects of cultures that make me uncomfortable I still want to understand them. I want to read about them and tell others about my impressions and random facts. I want to taste different dishes, see beautiful architecture, smell the air, and just listen to sounds of the environment. I don’t enjoy (but I’m also opposed to) action and dangerous situations but what I would enjoy most would be a long trip through a foreign city or forest with or without a plan (as long as I or we stay on the move and don’t just mingle around somewhere).
What traits do you find endearing that others might dislike? What traits are considered positive/neutral by others but tend to annoy you?
People who bump into things because their have their heads in the clouds.
...By bump into things I mean furniture not car accidents.
I don’t mind when people embrace who they are. Be it their culture, their clothing style, music, weird laughter and habits or geekiness.
What kinds of things do you do to manage and/or beautify your environment (your room, your house, etc.)? What do you think of daily chores?
I like to keep my place in order. I can’t or don’t feel at peace with my environment when things are not in order (no OCD just tidy). I like wide spaces and modern design.
How do you behave around strangers?
I’m usually very nice to strangers because it’s the best way to achieve a positive result. Although people who know me since forever call be a stoic I can be very friendly, even enthusiastic and smiley around people but once I feel like they grew comfortable around me I switch back to my introverted selv. I know how to make people like me (or at least not hate me) and I keep most if not all my opinions, aspirations and viewpoints to myself and I’m an attentive listener who keeps his promises and talks no shit about other people behind their back. I’m probably the best boring model citizen you ever met.
How do you react to conflict? What do you do if somebody insults or attacks you?
I can make people cry when I’m angry. That happened twice and with the purpose to make them know that they can’t treat me badly. Insults don’t hurt me but criticism concerning my working style make me feel bad. I hate quarrels and when I hear people shout at each other I want to leave the place a soon as possible. Once someone called me selfish and that irritated me quite a bit because I don’t have any talents that a worth mentioning but I do care a lot about other people and I don’t want anyone to think that I would make a bad friend or acquaintance.
What is one common misconception that people have? Explain why it is wrong.
No one is special. Even the most impressive people don’t have a clue about what they are doing and have a lot of hidden insecurities. We put on masks to make people think that we are competent, brave, kind...but we’re just overly complex beings who try to construct something like a purpose for life. Once you come to that realization no one can intimidate you. No one can blind you with their awesomeness, money, intelligence, promises or whatever.
What did you do last Friday?
Sleep. Eat. Repeat.
What is your biggest accomplishment?
Is finishing school an accomplishment? I don’t know. I don’t take much pride in anything.
What is something you regret?
I’ve never been in a relationship before and I never kissed anyone. I’ve spent a lot of my time chasing love interests, asking them out and going on dates but either we would not work together, have different life aspirations or they find me not very interesting. I regret that I never got a kiss because now I feel like I’ve missed something very important in school life and no one my age will want to be in a relationship with me.
Who do you admire, and why?
Atm no one.
What's been on your mind? Has anything been worrying or concerning you? What problems have you encountered lately?
See “What is something you regret?”
What are your religious or spiritual beliefs and why do you hold them?
I’m not religious.
What are your political beliefs, and why? To what extent do you care about politics?
Once the ukraine crisis started I researched about world politics, history and media like mad but as time passes by you learn that most threats and promises are hot air and that you can’t do anything about the people who get shot by drones, or get killed by religious fanatics, social injustice and racism. The only thing I can do is personify my own ideals which are...man stop hurting people, what's wrong with you, get a hobby.
Would you ever be interested in starting a business? Why or why not? What role would you play in it? What kind of business would it be?
I would not start a business (no ideas, no intuition for possibilities and to scared of unforeseen incidents) but I like the idea of being an irreplaceable but mostly independent assistant who gets the job done.
If I was a criminal I would be into money laundering.
What kind of work environment do you prefer? What do you look for in a job?
I don’t really care about the content of a job. The people matter most.
What is or was your favorite school subject and why?
Philosophy. In general I did not have any favourite subjects. No matter how much I learned all tests felt like surprise tests. I was never able to solve the discrepancy between knowing every detail about the topic but not being able to see what exactly the tests want from me. I found the questions very vague.
How do you approach responsibility? What do you tend to expect of others?
Just please make no trouble.
Where did you go on your most recent vacation? What did you do there? How did you like it and why?
I raise money for my tuition so I’m never on vacations. The closest thing that comes to a vacation are watching movies in the theatre. Last week we(a close friend) watched Wonder Woman in a completely empty theatre at midnight and I found it great. The experience. The movies didn’t matter.
What were you like as a kid? How have you changed since you were a child?
Extremely shy and a loner. Best grades in primary school and pretty ok in high school. I’ve always been responsible but also very sensitive to criticism.
What was your high school experience like?
I was a loner at first but things got better with time. I was very shy and never challenged my teachers although I disagreed with most of them.
Talk about a significant event from your life.
I don’t know. I didn’t have a worse or better life than most people and don’t see any significant events that changed me. I mean I did change with time from a shy person who does not talk much to a more confident person.
Do you like kids? Why or why not?
I like kids but I don’t want them near me. To noisy and sticky.
If you were to raise a child, what would be your main concerns, what measures would you take, and why?
Google: Responsible parents.
Ever feel stuck in a rut? If yes, describe the causes and your reaction to it.
Life has no meaning and neither your religion nor your netflix, cult, political party or slogans can change that. Stop lying to yourself and drink a coke and enjoy the little things.
How do you see other people as a whole? What do you consider a prevalent social problem? Name one.
I tell you social problem: religion and the unwillingness to questions faith of any kind. Our morals don’t come from the bible. I feel like most christians did not even read that book.
What do you do if you're not getting what you want? What approach do you use?
Nothing. I get over it.
Are you comfortable taking leadership roles? In what areas? Why or why not?
I don’t really like taking leadership roles because most people have their own head(which is good in most instances) and don’t adhere to plans.
How often do you get angry? What kinds of things make you angry?
I’m usually in a state of indifference and I don’t care much about most things but I can get worked up about rude customers, slackers who don’t take their job seriously and hamper other people in the process. I also don’t like it when people are late for reasons that are 100% their own fault. Messages like “I’m there in 2 minutes” and ultimately taking nearly an hour annoy me very much. I’ve been very angry maybe 3 times in my live. When that happens I don’t shout or gesticulate wildly but I can make people cry with words and stares.
What is the best thing that happened to you during the past week?
Saw a good friend again for the first time in weeks.
What is the worst thing that happened to you during the past week?
Nothing. I don’t make choices that can potentially hurt me in the future and so far I’m free of any strategies that are out of my control.
What is the purpose of life? What do you find personally meaningful in life?
Nothing.
What is the most interesting place you have been, and why?
I find other people houses very interesting. It mirrors who they are.
How do you dress or manage your appearance?
I’m most comfortable in jeans, a shirt and sports shoes or oxford shoes because classy.
Do you like surprises?
Don’t think so.
Is there anything else important about you that we should know?
You know what would be cool? An Iron Man suit.
The Extended Questionnaire v0.2
Tell me about yourself.You know those kind of people in group settings who sit quietly in a corner, as if they’re judging everyone, proper, not smiling, not talking and probably have fucking clipboard in their hands? That’s me. That being said, I don’t care about anyone and there is a high chance that I’m not listening. I probably hide my a phone behind that clipboard and browse reddit. Meetings of any kind where people use fancy words like “group work”, “motivation” and powerpoint presentations with colorful pretty diagrams are useless and hold everyone back from achieving actual results and I think that’s everything anyone needs to know about me.
What do you study or do for a living? How did you come to do that? What do you like or dislike about it?
I plan to study in college.Something technical maybe. On the side I do small jobs like delivering papers or helping out on festivals. Currently I’m working in a café but not for long.
What are your values, and why?
I don’t know what to do with the word “values”. I don’t mean to say that values don’t exists or that I have no respect for people who find their own values very important, it’s just that I never wrote down what (moral) values I find important besides common sense.
What else do you do on a daily basis? What are your interests and hobbies? Why do you do them?
In my free time I do a lot of research on anything that currently interests me. That’s a.t.m. handwriting analysis, body language, typology, history and politics. I have a long list of things that I want to read about but way to little time.
Because I like understanding people and humanity as a whole but I also want to learn things that are applicable. Like body language. You can make people feel at ease around you by adjusting your body language or by saying the right things. Is that manipulation? Yes.
Describe your relations with family and friends. What do you like and dislike about them?
We have an ok relationship but I don’t feel like I belong there. I feel like I had to be the adult most of the time.
I have many acquaintances and positive relations to them. I consider only one or two people to be real friends of mine because they are the only ones who let me talk about my opinions without getting offended.
What do you look for in friends? In romantic relationships?
I don’t like talkers. I mean people who talk about plans and ideas but can’t deliver. I don’t take promises seriously(anymore) and only work with things that are tangible or signed. People who change their mind frequently or cancel plans at the last moment annoy me.
I enjoy planning trips, gifts, nights out and financial investments and when someone takes it away from me or says that he or she wasn’t serious about it anyway it upsets me quite a bit. I think I’m a very literal person so I don’t understand clues or any form of communication that “indicates” anything.
What conflicts have you encountered recently with other people? Why did they happen? Which kinds seem to happen on a regular basis?
I was out with two girl that I know for years. We were sitting in a cafe and we saw how an “old man” (late forties) gave his old wife a kiss and the girls said it should be forbidden that old people kiss each other in public. I laughed at first because I thought they can’t be serious but they were. In their opinion it's gross to look at and disruptive. I just kept quiet so it did not escalate into a conflict but I was shocked. If you don't like to see something that does not hurt anyone just look away. Why would you want to forbid people something like that wth.
How would your friends describe you?
I don’t really have “friends” only acquaintances. But they say that I don’t talk much, I’m a poker face with dry humor and knowledgeable. I’m serious, mostly unemotional on the outside, orderly, principled and have little patience for pranks because I’m too sensitive and inflexible. Apparently I make funny remarks and I don’t know how I appeal to people (It’s meant to be a positive remark) but don’t know what they mean about that. Maybe that I’m a bit authoritative...no clue. Maybe my sociotype can explain that.
What do people generally see as your strengths? What do you like about yourself?
Although people often criticise that I’m inflexible and impatient I feel like they don’t really see me for who I am. I’m not impatient. There are countless incidences where I waited hours for them without complaining. I’m always there when someone needs me. I consider myself easy going and I’m not half as principled and orderly as I like to make people think. I let people be who they are as long as they respect my need to for predictability and don’t let me wait on purpose. I’m independent but have no delusions about my cognitive abilities and don’t brag (because I don’t like being watched).
make others laugh when they feel down, memorize what they like and what gives them joy (their hobbies, favorite movies, names of children and their birthdays). I’m reasonably good at small talk, notice when someone feels awkward and do something about it.
What are your weaknesses? What criticism do you often face from others? What do you dislike about yourself?
I can’t help but being a bit passive aggressive once I’m irritated. I always know better. I don’t talk enough and I’m to rigid, strict, impatient, selfish and critical. I don’t like risks of any kind and therefore I’m not much fun. I’m less humorous i.r.l than in text messages and I need years to feel comfortable around someone. I never open up about my feelings. I’m very literal and don’t understand hints.
In what areas of life can you manage well on your own? In what areas of your life would you like help?
Nowhere. Don’t stay in my way.
No, wait. Opportunities. I like people who give me honest opportunities that are not just empty talk. I don’t need help to accomplish my goals I just need someone who points at an open door.
What things do you find to be a chore? What things do you enjoy more than others?
Making petty powerpoint presentations or anything that I consider useless. I like ironing my clothes. No joke. I don’t get up in the morning like “yay I get to iron my clothes for two hours today!” but keeping my stuff in order and having everything prepared to go somewhere spontaneously but in tidy clothing is like meditating.
What goals, aspirations, or plans do you have for the future? How did you come to have them?
I only have short term goals. Big plans for the future are useless for me because I can’t control anything and things never turn out the way I envision them. The only thing I know is that I know shit.
If you had enough money to live comfortably for the rest of your life without working, what would you do with your time?
I would buy a house in the woods and come to that place as often as I can. I would love to visit foreign countries but not big cities like paris, new york a.s.o but the smaller places where the culture and day to day life of normal people shows. I like to observe other cultures, listen to their music, understand their traditions and why and how they made them. One of my ideals it “to understand all you must forgive all” and while I certainly can’t forgive all aspects of cultures that make me uncomfortable I still want to understand them. I want to read about them and tell others about my impressions and random facts. I want to taste different dishes, see beautiful architecture, smell the air, and just listen to sounds of the environment. I don’t enjoy (but I’m also opposed to) action and dangerous situations but what I would enjoy most would be a long trip through a foreign city or forest with or without a plan (as long as I or we stay on the move and don’t just mingle around somewhere).
What traits do you find endearing that others might dislike? What traits are considered positive/neutral by others but tend to annoy you?
People who bump into things because their have their heads in the clouds.
...By bump into things I mean furniture not car accidents.
I don’t mind when people embrace who they are. Be it their culture, their clothing style, music, weird laughter and habits or geekiness.
What kinds of things do you do to manage and/or beautify your environment (your room, your house, etc.)? What do you think of daily chores?
I like to keep my place in order. I can’t or don’t feel at peace with my environment when things are not in order (no OCD just tidy). I like wide spaces and modern design.
How do you behave around strangers?
I’m usually very nice to strangers because it’s the best way to achieve a positive result. Although people who know me since forever call be a stoic I can be very friendly, even enthusiastic and smiley around people but once I feel like they grew comfortable around me I switch back to my introverted selv. I know how to make people like me (or at least not hate me) and I keep most if not all my opinions, aspirations and viewpoints to myself and I’m an attentive listener who keeps his promises and talks no shit about other people behind their back. I’m probably the best boring model citizen you ever met.
How do you react to conflict? What do you do if somebody insults or attacks you?
I can make people cry when I’m angry. That happened twice and with the purpose to make them know that they can’t treat me badly. Insults don’t hurt me but criticism concerning my working style make me feel bad. I hate quarrels and when I hear people shout at each other I want to leave the place a soon as possible. Once someone called me selfish and that irritated me quite a bit because I don’t have any talents that a worth mentioning but I do care a lot about other people and I don’t want anyone to think that I would make a bad friend or acquaintance.
What is one common misconception that people have? Explain why it is wrong.
No one is special. Even the most impressive people don’t have a clue about what they are doing and have a lot of hidden insecurities. We put on masks to make people think that we are competent, brave, kind...but we’re just overly complex beings who try to construct something like a purpose for life. Once you come to that realization no one can intimidate you. No one can blind you with their awesomeness, money, intelligence, promises or whatever.
What did you do last Friday?
Sleep. Eat. Repeat.
What is your biggest accomplishment?
Is finishing school an accomplishment? I don’t know. I don’t take much pride in anything.
What is something you regret?
I’ve never been in a relationship before and I never kissed anyone. I’ve spent a lot of my time chasing love interests, asking them out and going on dates but either we would not work together, have different life aspirations or they find me not very interesting. I regret that I never got a kiss because now I feel like I’ve missed something very important in school life and no one my age will want to be in a relationship with me.
Who do you admire, and why?
Atm no one.
What's been on your mind? Has anything been worrying or concerning you? What problems have you encountered lately?
See “What is something you regret?”
What are your religious or spiritual beliefs and why do you hold them?
I’m not religious.
What are your political beliefs, and why? To what extent do you care about politics?
Once the ukraine crisis started I researched about world politics, history and media like mad but as time passes by you learn that most threats and promises are hot air and that you can’t do anything about the people who get shot by drones, or get killed by religious fanatics, social injustice and racism. The only thing I can do is personify my own ideals which are...man stop hurting people, what's wrong with you, get a hobby.
Would you ever be interested in starting a business? Why or why not? What role would you play in it? What kind of business would it be?
I would not start a business (no ideas, no intuition for possibilities and to scared of unforeseen incidents) but I like the idea of being an irreplaceable but mostly independent assistant who gets the job done.
If I was a criminal I would be into money laundering.
What kind of work environment do you prefer? What do you look for in a job?
I don’t really care about the content of a job. The people matter most.
What is or was your favorite school subject and why?
Philosophy. In general I did not have any favourite subjects. No matter how much I learned all tests felt like surprise tests. I was never able to solve the discrepancy between knowing every detail about the topic but not being able to see what exactly the tests want from me. I found the questions very vague.
How do you approach responsibility? What do you tend to expect of others?
Just please make no trouble.
Where did you go on your most recent vacation? What did you do there? How did you like it and why?
I raise money for my tuition so I’m never on vacations. The closest thing that comes to a vacation are watching movies in the theatre. Last week we(a close friend) watched Wonder Woman in a completely empty theatre at midnight and I found it great. The experience. The movies didn’t matter.
What were you like as a kid? How have you changed since you were a child?
Extremely shy and a loner. Best grades in primary school and pretty ok in high school. I’ve always been responsible but also very sensitive to criticism.
What was your high school experience like?
I was a loner at first but things got better with time. I was very shy and never challenged my teachers although I disagreed with most of them.
Talk about a significant event from your life.
I don’t know. I didn’t have a worse or better life than most people and don’t see any significant events that changed me. I mean I did change with time from a shy person who does not talk much to a more confident person.
Do you like kids? Why or why not?
I like kids but I don’t want them near me. To noisy and sticky.
If you were to raise a child, what would be your main concerns, what measures would you take, and why?
Google: Responsible parents.
Ever feel stuck in a rut? If yes, describe the causes and your reaction to it.
Life has no meaning and neither your religion nor your netflix, cult, political party or slogans can change that. Stop lying to yourself and drink a coke and enjoy the little things.
How do you see other people as a whole? What do you consider a prevalent social problem? Name one.
I tell you social problem: religion and the unwillingness to questions faith of any kind. Our morals don’t come from the bible. I feel like most christians did not even read that book.
What do you do if you're not getting what you want? What approach do you use?
Nothing. I get over it.
Are you comfortable taking leadership roles? In what areas? Why or why not?
I don’t really like taking leadership roles because most people have their own head(which is good in most instances) and don’t adhere to plans.
How often do you get angry? What kinds of things make you angry?
I’m usually in a state of indifference and I don’t care much about most things but I can get worked up about rude customers, slackers who don’t take their job seriously and hamper other people in the process. I also don’t like it when people are late for reasons that are 100% their own fault. Messages like “I’m there in 2 minutes” and ultimately taking nearly an hour annoy me very much. I’ve been very angry maybe 3 times in my live. When that happens I don’t shout or gesticulate wildly but I can make people cry with words and stares.
What is the best thing that happened to you during the past week?
Saw a good friend again for the first time in weeks.
What is the worst thing that happened to you during the past week?
Nothing. I don’t make choices that can potentially hurt me in the future and so far I’m free of any strategies that are out of my control.
What is the purpose of life? What do you find personally meaningful in life?
Nothing.
What is the most interesting place you have been, and why?
I find other people houses very interesting. It mirrors who they are.
How do you dress or manage your appearance?
I’m most comfortable in jeans, a shirt and sports shoes or oxford shoes because classy.
Do you like surprises?
Don’t think so.
Is there anything else important about you that we should know?
You know what would be cool? An Iron Man suit.
