I decided to read a few pages in Jung's psychological types, because after having tried to fully understand model G, I felt like it was getting so abstract, to the point where some parts seem completely arbitrary and made up, so it felt like it was time to go back to the roots and see what Jung actually said. For example, why exactly do functions have +/- charges? And what determines which charge a type has? Does that actually have anything to do with reality? Wtf does it even mean. Anyways, there's no way in hell I'm reading Jungs entire book, but I read the chapter on Se, and it said this:
"...The more sensation predominates, however, so that the subject disappears behind the sensation, the less agreeable does this type become. He develops into a crude pleasure-seeker, or else degenerates into an unscrupulous, effete aesthete. Although the object has become quite indispensable to him, yet, as something existing in its own right, it is none the less devalued. It is ruthlessly exploited and squeezed dry, since now its sole use is to stimulate sensation. The bondage to the object is carried to the extreme limit. In consequence, the unconscious is forced out of its compensatory role into open opposition. Above all, the repressed intuitions begin to assert themselves in the form of projections. The wildest suspicions arise; if the object is a sexual one, jealous fantasies and anxiety states gain the upper hand. More acute cases develop every sort of phobia, and, in particular, compulsion symptoms. The pathological contents have a markedly unreal character, with a frequent moral or religious streak. A pettifogging captiousness follows, or a grotesquely punctilious morality combined with primitive, magical superstitions that fall back on abstruse rites. All these things have their source in the repressed inferior functions which have been driven into harsh opposition to the conscious attitude, and they appear in a guise that is all the more striking because they rest on the most absurd assumptions, in complete contrast to the conscious sense of reality. The whole structure of thought and feeling seems, in this second personality, to be twisted into a pathological parody: reason turns into hair-splitting pedantry, morality into dreary moralizing and blatant Pharisaism, religion into ridiculous superstition, and intuition, the noblest gift of man, into meddlesome officiousness, poking into every corner; instead of gazing into the far distance, it descends to the lowest level of human meanness."
So this obviously describes a very unhealthy state for the extroverted sensor, but what got my attention is that some of the things sound like negative traits of enneagram 6. The projection, suspicion, phobia and anxiety is all related to e6. And the jealous fantasies and suspicion in relationships sounds like 6 Sx in particular. I remember @maniac once said in chatbox that e6 and Ni is basically the same thing, that the systems overlap, and I agree that they do overlap, but it seems like Jung is saying that what we refer to as e6 is not Ni, but repressed inferior Ni that comes up from the unconscious when there is too much Se. I guess maybe only the negative things associated with e6 manifest themselves when Ni is repressed in an unhealthy way, and maybe when Ni is more conscious it shows the more positive e6 traits.
"...The more sensation predominates, however, so that the subject disappears behind the sensation, the less agreeable does this type become. He develops into a crude pleasure-seeker, or else degenerates into an unscrupulous, effete aesthete. Although the object has become quite indispensable to him, yet, as something existing in its own right, it is none the less devalued. It is ruthlessly exploited and squeezed dry, since now its sole use is to stimulate sensation. The bondage to the object is carried to the extreme limit. In consequence, the unconscious is forced out of its compensatory role into open opposition. Above all, the repressed intuitions begin to assert themselves in the form of projections. The wildest suspicions arise; if the object is a sexual one, jealous fantasies and anxiety states gain the upper hand. More acute cases develop every sort of phobia, and, in particular, compulsion symptoms. The pathological contents have a markedly unreal character, with a frequent moral or religious streak. A pettifogging captiousness follows, or a grotesquely punctilious morality combined with primitive, magical superstitions that fall back on abstruse rites. All these things have their source in the repressed inferior functions which have been driven into harsh opposition to the conscious attitude, and they appear in a guise that is all the more striking because they rest on the most absurd assumptions, in complete contrast to the conscious sense of reality. The whole structure of thought and feeling seems, in this second personality, to be twisted into a pathological parody: reason turns into hair-splitting pedantry, morality into dreary moralizing and blatant Pharisaism, religion into ridiculous superstition, and intuition, the noblest gift of man, into meddlesome officiousness, poking into every corner; instead of gazing into the far distance, it descends to the lowest level of human meanness."
So this obviously describes a very unhealthy state for the extroverted sensor, but what got my attention is that some of the things sound like negative traits of enneagram 6. The projection, suspicion, phobia and anxiety is all related to e6. And the jealous fantasies and suspicion in relationships sounds like 6 Sx in particular. I remember @maniac once said in chatbox that e6 and Ni is basically the same thing, that the systems overlap, and I agree that they do overlap, but it seems like Jung is saying that what we refer to as e6 is not Ni, but repressed inferior Ni that comes up from the unconscious when there is too much Se. I guess maybe only the negative things associated with e6 manifest themselves when Ni is repressed in an unhealthy way, and maybe when Ni is more conscious it shows the more positive e6 traits.